Andrew Fischl
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first heard May 2025
last heard May 2025
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Yes, that's correct. So shortly after that happened, I was contacted by someone in, we'll just say, the French Olympic Integrity Committee. They said they had seen the show and some of the other things that I had released about the corruption.
And asked if I was worried that that would happen in Paris as well.
I told them I was very worried that that would happen, and they basically asked me to fill out a form for the French government designating me a whistleblower in France, and then also had me highlight pretty much instructions for how I thought that that kind of subversion could happen at the Olympics, and my suggestions for how to prevent it from happening, and...
they basically implemented a system that was watching for those things and tried to prevent them from happening. Which is to say, Andrew Fishel, good to have you back in studio. Yeah. Out of everything that's gone on, even if I never accomplish anything else again in the sport, which I hope doesn't happen, but even if it does, it's nice to know that because of the efforts that we have put forth,
Those games were a little bit fairer, and that's something that people worked their whole life towards. So I felt just an amazing sense of relief that someone was actually taking that seriously enough to act on it.
It's been just continuous.
I did an interview with one of the fencers in the clip a few weeks ago, and at the time, there I think were 15 Fox News stories about this.
Mm-hmm. So at the beginning of this match, right before the referee told them to start, the fencer on the right, Stephanie Turner, got down on one knee and protested the inclusion of her trans opponent, Red Sullivan, in this event. The referee came up to her and told her that it would be a black card if she refused to fence on the grounds of just refusing to fence an eligible opponent.
She said that she knew that, but that she was a woman, her opponent was a man, and that she wasn't going to fence that person. So the referee left, presumably to confirm that penalty with bout committee. When he came back, he had, I suppose, confirmed that that was the correct penalty to issue and gave Turner a black card for refusing defense.
Meaning exclusion from the tournament.
Yeah.
He sent that to the CEO of USA Fencing, Phil Andrews. He claimed that USA fencing was in violation of President Trump's executive order keeping men out of women's sports.
It would be nice if it actually appeared as if they wanted to learn something from this investigation.
Oh yeah, yeah.
So just how hard was it to reach Red Sullivan? It took me like 10 minutes from when I heard this story to make the connection.
So not exactly the investigative odyssey. No, not at all. I saw that this was happening, or several people had messaged me that this was happening. I got sent a meme on Instagram, and it had, I think, a couple million views, thousands of comments. So I reached out through my network and was able to get her number extremely quickly.
We've heard a lot in the news about this incident and what Stephanie, when we've heard Stephanie's side of the story, can you talk us through what happened from your perspective?
There's a spectrum of ratings from A being the best to E being the worst, and then one unrated below that. And Red is a D-rated fencer, which is fine. Like, it shows a basic level of technique and understanding, but it isn't anything extremely impressive. Sorry. Well, how does Red feel about that scouting report of... I think she would probably find that fairly accurate.
She's also a D-rated fencer. I had never heard of her before this. And in looking at her results, they're also fairly mediocre. Like, I would put the two of them at approximately the same level. Which is to say that when it comes to the tournament that we are... Making this mountain out of... It was a deeply unserious, unimportant tournament. Well, now you sound like an a**hole.
I mean, you need a certain amount of points to qualify for Summer National Championships. And this is one of the last tournaments that allows you to do that. So if you are fencing at this tournament with the goal of accumulating those points, it means you either didn't do well at the others or... just didn't want to go to them.
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