There's a big DOGE hearing on Capitol Hill tomorrow, after a month of yelling from Fox News and threats of a criminal investigation from Trump's cabinet. The cause: an elite female fencer who got punished for taking a knee, in protest of her transgender opponent at an Olympic qualifier. The problem? That story isn't true. Andrew Fischl, PTFO's fencing expert and whistleblower, tells us the real story — and the bizarre scandal in his sport that you should know about. • Previously: Match-Fixing, the Oligarch and the Ivy League — Inside the Most Corrupt Sport at the Olympics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGWZ13gxTxc Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
What is the background of Andrew Fischl's involvement?
I fenced almost an entire season in the NCAA on the women's team. Where nothing like this has happened. There's been no backlash to me fencing. And it has been a historically mediocre season. And there have been no issues with it until there was the NCAA ban.
So to just clarify, Red Sullivan no longer fencing for... Wagner. For Wagner, her college team. Famously, thanks to the federal government. And the opponent in question, the kneeler, the protester, Stephanie Turner. What's Stephanie's scouting report?
She's also a D-rated fencer. I had never heard of her before this. And in looking at her results, they're also fairly mediocre. Like, I would put the two of them at approximately the same level. Which is to say that when it comes to the tournament that we are... Making this mountain out of... It was a deeply unserious, unimportant tournament. Well, now you sound like an a**hole.
I mean, you need a certain amount of points to qualify for Summer National Championships. And this is one of the last tournaments that allows you to do that. So if you are fencing at this tournament with the goal of accumulating those points, it means you either didn't do well at the others or... just didn't want to go to them.
And at that point, I think it's fair to say that it's just not that important.
So we have two, and I'm going to use this because I think it's actually a term, two D-list, D-rated. D-rated, yeah. D-rated fencers. And Stephanie, also not a college fencer? I think she's 31. What phase of the fencing trajectory is that at this point?
In order to qualify for tournaments that you need to go to to even qualify for the Olympics, so like qualifiers for the qualifiers, you need to have at minimum a C rating. And she does not have that, so it... I don't know her. I've never spoken to her. I've tried to reach out to her, but it seems from the outside, like this is just a casual fencer doing these tournaments for fun.
And so this tournament, when I hear it described by Fox News as an Olympic qualifier, again, we have investigated Olympic fencing. You live in the elite levels. That's your world. This was not an Olympic tournament.
No, definitely not. And anyone who says that doesn't know anything about athletics.
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