Andrew Jarecki

They all know what's in their financial interest.

Yeah.

I mean that happens obviously all the time.

Clearly.

There are meetings like that all the time.

Clearly.

But I think there's an insidious element to the fact that –

you know, that people are agreeing that $24 billion should be spent on X, Y, or Z, nobody really needs to get like a secret memo saying how they're going to steal that money.

Like they just go, oh, okay, in Alabama, what now?

We're allowed to spend $1.3 billion on one prison?

Great.

Okay.

Well, I'm not personally taking the $1.3 – I'm not personally taking the billion-dollar overage myself.

Well, the press is extremely important, which is why government, this government or prior government, they don't like the press, right?

Nobody likes getting in trouble because the press does when it operates at its best and when you have the –

people that are able to make a living being journalists and you're not, you know, firing everybody who's a good investigative reporter, then that should be, it's one of the reasons why the country was founded in that way, why freedom of the press is so important, is because it's the only disinfectant.

It's the only way.

And it doesn't mean people don't use the press and

malevolent ways or people don't bullshit in the press.

Of course.