Andrew Klavan

So that's a conversation we can have.

And just like the bad faith and the dishonesty from people on both sides, I find really frustrating.

Because look, here's the thing.

I agree with the people who say that, yeah, there's no way Trump was actually gonna do that.

He's not gonna do that.

I get it.

Well, okay, well then, but why are you saying it then?

Because- I'll give you an answer on this.

Well, Jose, but if you're not gonna do it and everybody knows you're not gonna do it, then the threat is totally meaningless.

Like the Iranian regime, they have access to Twitter.

I mean, they can see the conversation also.

And so if everybody in the world knows he's not gonna do it, then the threat has no meaning.

And if they think that he will do it, but then he doesn't, well, now you just look like a fool.

You look like you're full of bluster.

I mean, when you make this threat, if you, hold on, if you make this threat and you will never actually do it ever, no matter what they do,

then all you've done is made your threats completely meaningless.

Yeah, I think, look, there's this weird thing we do now with wars where we talk about them very theoretically, especially this latest one where we're sort of theorizing about, well, maybe we're doing it for this reason.

Maybe this is the reason.

As though we don't have leaders who are running the country whose responsibility is not to actually tell us this stuff.

You know, it used to be that for most of American history, when we went to war, it was like kind of a big deal.