Andrew Revkin

But I still think we have to figure out the other part too.

That end, how do you innovate at the household level, at the village level?

It's much more of a distributed problem, we used to think.

The one big change I've had in my own thinking too is

is from top down to distributed.

Everything about the climate problem through the first three decades of my reporting was that

The IPCC will come out a new report.

The framework convention, the treaty will get us on board.

We'll all behave better.

It has this top-down parent-to-child architecture.

And everything I've learned has gone the other way.

It's distributed capacity.

for improved lives, kids getting through school, women not having to spend three hours collecting firewood.

And if it means propane for that household in that context, that's a good thing.

So stop with all your yammering about ending all fossil fuel subsidies.

And what's an America look like that has some climate-safe energy future?

Find your part in that.

Don't get disempowered by the scale of it.

There's like a thousand things to do.

When you start to cut it into pieces,