Andrew Revkin

If you focus on the carbon dioxide,

which is the thing warming the planet, not the burning of the fuels, then that's another way forward that could sustain fossil fuels.

As far as I can tell from at least the first book, he makes the moral case that fossil fuels are essentially a good overall.

I don't think he adequately accounts for the need

Well, Steve Koonin is another one.

He's a brilliant guy.

He lived right close to me in the Hudson Valley.

He was in the Obama administration energy department.

It's K-O-O-N-I-N.

He wrote a bestseller that came out recently on skepticism about climate.

And there are other smart people who

somehow feel we can literally adapt our way forward without any constraint on the gases changing the climate.

And I've spent enough time on this.

I think I'm a pretty level-headed reporter when it comes to this issue.

And I think having some sense that we can adapt our way into the world we're building through relentless climate change with no new normal.

Remember, more gas accumulating in the air every year.

These are not static moments.

That that's a good thing to do doesn't strike me as smart.

And so much is on the rich countries of the world.

Yeah.