Andrew Revkin

One of the other projects on their list?

As a World Bank kind of gotcha, like how dare they give money, was for a fertilizer factory in Bangladesh that is designed to get three times as much fertilizer from the same amount of natural gas as the old plants that are now dormant.

This is in a time when we're facing high energy prices, high gas prices, high food prices, when food insecurity is spreading rapidly, when a country like Bangladesh has millions of rice farmers who need urea tablets to put in their rice fields.

And to say how dare they finance that because there's a fossil fuel involved is immoral.

So yes, on that point from Alex.

I've written a ton on this.

After I had that conversion about the social science in 2006, I began digging in a lot more on how people hold beliefs and what they do as opposed to what they think.

questions about polling.

And there's two things that come to me that make me not worry about the basic literacy, like is climate change X percent of whatever?

I don't really care about that.

And I'll explain why.

For one thing,

More science literacy, more basic literacy, like what is a greenhouse gas, all that stuff.

Dan Kahane, K-A-H-A-N at Yale.

He's actually at Yale Law School.

The last decade, he did all this work on what he calls cultural cognition, which is, and he did studies that showed

you know, how what you believe emerges based on culture, based on your background, your red, blue, where you are in the country.

And one of the really disturbing findings was that the people who have the most basic science literacy, like who know the most about greenhouse effect or whatever,

They're at both ends of the spectrum of views on climate, dismissives and alarmed.

Steve Koonin, as I mentioned, is a good example.