Andrew Revkin

He's a brilliant physicist, and he knows all the science, and he's completely at the end of skepticism.

Will Happer, who was close to being Trump's science advisor, was even more out there, and they're both on the Jason Committee that advises the government on big strategic things.

And people who are really alarmed about it also have the same belief.

So as a journalist, I was thinking, do I just spend my time writing more explanatory stories that explain the science better?

No.

Do I dig in on this work to understand what brings people together?

And then these same surveys, the same science shows you, if you don't make it about climate, among other things, this becomes...

You don't have to worry about this anymore.

If you Google for no red-blue divide climate revkin, you'll find a piece I did with some really good graphs.

Essentially, it shows that in America, this is the Yale group again, their climate communication group.

There's no red-blue divide on energy innovation, none.

We need more climate energy, clean energy innovation.

There wasn't even a divide country by state by state on...

whether CO2 should be regulated as a pollutant.

But it's all like, what are the questions you ask?

If you ask about innovation, if you ask about more incentives for renewable power.

Oklahoma, Iowa, you know, I did a piece when I was at ProPublica showing that the 17 states that were fighting Obama in court over his clean power plan were actually, the majority of them were actually meeting the targets that the clean power plan had because they're expanding wind power already.

Not because of the climate, because it makes money sense and energy sense.

There is on climate, if you call it climate.

If you say it's a climate, do you believe in the climate crisis?