Andrew Rose (UK)

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Bites and Bytes Podcast · Agroterrorism & Cyber Threats: How Farms Are Under Attack · 4 Mar 2025 podcast

Absolutely. And thank you again for having me here. It's always an honor to be here both virtually and in person on stage in Montreal. It was a blast as well. I am an agricultural futurist. I focused on these projects that will benefit our species three generations from now on a world as it will be to ensure that they have the food they need to survive and flourish.

And then for the past almost nine years now, I've worked in protecting our ag supply chain from cyber criminals and related threats. And I'm really excited about the co-guests that we have here today. These are some of the best in the world, in my opinion.

Sure. Well, you've heard a few of my other fixations and memories as well. So mine are nowhere near as triumphant as Hannah's and Mike's, but apple cider donut, something I'm always craving, you know, in terms of that sweet treat. And then I just got back from a couple months in the Northeast and I try to eat everything that maple syrup in it.

So not necessarily a fixation, but more of an ingredient. And so I'm thinking about maple syrup scones and how can I incorporate maple syrup and other things I'm doing. Until I reach that threshold where I can't tolerate it anymore, then you wait another year, then cycles back around. And then food memory, I think back often to when I was at Farm Credit and we would put on these member dinners.

So we'd bring in a geographic region, all the members together. And I never missed one that we did up in the Lancaster area when the plane community would come to Yoder's restaurant. And if you picture Yoder's, the Harry Potter Cathedral dinner. It was like that. It was just long tables of beautiful families, wonderful conversations. And Hannah, the food just keeps coming until you stop eating.

I mean, there's always something new coming down the table. And it's just, it's not necessarily the food, but it was also the conversations, just the love and the beautifulness of sitting there and having those conversations around that meal. So thanks for reminding me of that too. I had thought about that a while, but I really enjoyed it.

I'm going to throw Mike under the bus on this one because I know there's, well, when I research, there's different definitions from different agencies, depending if you're talking to the FBI, if you're talking to the insurance companies, and then where does that nuance end? But I always lean upon Mike. He's my Encyclopedia Britannica of insurance knowledge.

But agroterrorism, Andrew, you know. No, it's fine. And one of the things I recall was there needs to be a $5 million threshold for damage. There needs to be an intent and an ideology to move a political message when the means, other means aren't there. And I think that one of the definitions was guerrilla warfare is the tool of the weak and terrorism is the tool of the weakest.

Well, quick question for you, Hannah. With the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act, I know that there have been some fits and starts in having it apply to certain circumstances. It appears, again, I haven't followed it closely, but it appears that now it's getting traction. Can you comment on some of the cases that have come up and how it's been applied?

I want to go back to something that Hannah said a little while ago. We often hear about the highly pathogenic avian influenza. Each path, highly pathogenic, that's a medical term. That means a 70% mortality rate be called highly pathogenic. So this is a dangerous virus that's spread around.

And Hannah, I think, and I might be mistaken on this, that incident in California, I think they actually went down to the genotypes and were able to pinpoint that strain did come from that farm and was introduced by them as well. Yeah, there's no denying that happened.

And on a broader level, I, along with cybersecurity risks, we talked about ransomware, the future of these attacks are gonna be social engineered attacks. Someone is gonna have a synthetic persona and they're gonna approach in a certain way to appeal to romance or job or whatever that thing is.

and a lot of the folks in the the vegan community and i know it is not considered a religion but if you do follow their doctrines you can see there's tears that they all try to achieve and in my mind is even they don't have an oracle or a priest or something like that there is a lot of religiousity about being a vegan it's a belief in the animals rather than the health or anything else around that and if it is indeed designated as a religion

then additional terrorism rules will apply to that as well. So I think they dance a really fine line. Again, just monitoring their conversations. I've seen vegans eviscerate other vegans because they have a horse or because they feed their cats something that has protein in it rather than broccoli and what have you. Had I said that, they'd be like,

i do want to go back to one thing that mike said before just on the you know what can a farmer do i always come at this from right of boom i come in the conversation after the attack has happened so okay let's put the pieces together and let's figure out how we can mitigate this going forward so i always advocate for doing a tabletop exercise Do a what if.

And Hannah's probably got, I don't know, seven or eight different case studies she can share with you on different types of activist actions that could disrupt your farming operations, whether it's a protest or something is adulterated or something like that. I would strongly encourage as part of the business continuity planning anyway to put a few of those on the agenda.

So in addition to the tornado or the fire, what else you're planning for, think about that. And I want to go back to something a little bit earlier too. A lot of people, because we kind of hinted at a cult-like mentality of folks in the vegan community, they're very susceptible to programming or suggestions. And a lot of times when you're that much of a zealot about what it is you believe in,

Your enemy's enemy is your friend. And our adversaries play on that sentiment and they can utilize these communities as a cat's paw. Whether that cat's paw is direct action, that cat's paw could be gathering information for a sympathetic friend, a synthetic sympathetic friend, perhaps. But our adversaries recognize that is an easy way in.

And as we're getting, again, going back to that information warfare, if you have an emotional response to information, you're being manipulated. You have this self-awareness to ask yourself why, who benefits and go from there. And then lastly, as these folks are susceptible to suggestions, as an action happens, the desire of our adversaries or even these groups is to have a copycat action occur.

So a lot of times these are more, they might be part of small groups. They could be lone wolves or solo operators that are out there that get enthusiastic or something or driven to that type of action too. And with the FBI, the FBI and law enforcement, it can't be everywhere. But what they ask is instead of being a bystander, be an upstander. If you see something, just say something.

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