Andrew Rose (UK)
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first heard Jun 2024
last heard Mar 2025
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Who's responsible for protecting that? Is it the vendor? Is it the John Deere that's selling the tractor? Or is it the farmer? Where does that liability ultimately fall? I know it's a hot potato, but someone needs to figure that out. Because farmers, that's one more headache right now in an over-regulated environment with climatic impacts, geopolitical impacts.
It's just one more thing that's just going to be on their shoulders. So I would love to see us adopt some sort of policy very similar to crop insurance. that can give us some sort of backstop, some sort of reinsurance agent for the agricultural community in the event that these cyber attacks happen. I mean, that's just us sitting back and absorbing these blows.
Again, you know me, I relate to CSGO a little bit more on the offensive side of things too. I think that we have under, our adversaries have obviously dominated the other attack surfaces other than the kinetics, you know, bullets and bombs, they're sabotage, espionage, cyber information warfare. They view those all as domains of warfare. We don't.
And so we're then left to absorb these blows, pass the pain on to the farmers and business owners and others out there. Our cyber community is just under so much stress right now because they're constantly having to put fires out and stomping on moles rather than having the ability for us to slap back a little bit and get some breathing room there.
But again, these are Andrew Rose's opinions, not the BioISAC's opinions.
And that ties back into something you said before, too. One of the things that I spoke about when I was in Chicago on the future of the food supply chain was that a lot of companies these days do what I call chasing nines. They got 99.999% efficiency, and they're chasing that next nine in there. And they're building these tech stacks on top of tech stacks.
And for me, the more agile you become, the more fragile you become. All it takes is one little piece of that now falling apart and the entire tech stack then collapses. And what is the point? What added benefit and efficiency is that really going to do given how fragile the system is, complicated the system is in a complex world?
Well, Darren, there's a simple answer to that. I mean, we're just following the path that politicians have laid. I mean, most politicians are lawyers, so they're risk averse to begin with. They don't want to get ahead of a known issue that's going to explode on someone's watch until after it explodes. If they get ahead of it, they could be wrong. It could be used against them.
If they wait for that explosion to happen, now they look like a hero. They pour buckets of money on it. and they build regulations around it so it won't happen again. So they're incentivized on paying the price later on rather than, again, we're talking rational sentences here in an irrational world.
Well, I think also reframing that question a little bit. I don't think anyone needs to die. I think all it's going to take, and you've heard me say it many times, if your kid goes five days without food, you're going to break a law. In three weeks without food, the government's going to fall. I mean, you're still technically going to have a pulse in your body. I mean, you'll be dying.
You'll be starving. But, you know, it can happen so fast. So fast. Yeah. that there's no time to even rally around it. And once it stops, it's kind of hard to restart.
Sure. I mean, and you also asked, what is it that's going to get us more allocations of cyber resources for the food and ag community? And that's pretty simple. It's an attack. You know, it's a high profile of JBS type of attack. Everyone will come running to us. All the agencies will come running to us. There will be opportunities for grants and other dollars to address things that happen.
And, you know, I'm not being facetious either. For a long time, agriculture and water fought for the bottom of the list of resources available. But some recent attacks in the water...
system have given them some more of the resources they really truly needed so i'm glad that that they're being paid attention to but you know simply put unfortunately it's gonna it's gonna take some some devastation for for folks to react to something like this um but right now there are businesses in the united states that are going naked without cyber insurance because they can't afford it because the questions are too onerous because it's too expensive doesn't pay out what it should pay out relative to what the cost is so i don't know what is the cost of doing nothing we're going to find out aren't we
Well, that sounds like the whole country of Estonia back in 2007. It was the first cyber war that Russia launched. They had their new weapons, new cyber warriors. And Estonia as a country then put cyber hygiene through their higher ed system. In high school, you refight the same cyber battles they fought back then. So it works as making your populace your most secure level of defense.
Oh, it already happened. We just don't know about it.
Well, that's a heavy lift right there. I guess I'll share what I shared in Chicago, that our adversaries, whether they're North Korea or Iran or China, and I don't know if Russia's going to be an adversary or ally now with our new administration, but regardless, they view us as their adversary. They view us as already being at war with them.
They view the warfare, like I said, the domains are sabotage, espionage, information warfare, cyber, everything but kinetics like that. If it becomes a kinetic war, one of the first things our adversaries will want to do is blind us by taking out our GPS systems.
So for anyone out there in the food and ag supply chain, if you have drivers or you have trucks or vehicles that are on the road, make sure you've got paper maps and make sure that the person who's driving the truck is under 30. They know how to use a paper map. That's just a good little bit of resiliency there.
Hi there. Thanks for inviting me on the podcast. Lovely to be here. Favorite food is probably lasagna. I do love a good lasagna. Oh my gosh. And I'm not sure if this is weird or not, but I do love it with fries. Like in lasagna or on the side? No, on the side. Okay.
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