Andy Greenberg

And what we ultimately settled on was, you know, a much simpler solution.

System that I still think actually turned out to be pretty effective, which was just that he installed a disguised version of Signal on his work PC.

And then we would talk with disappearing messages set to like a very low time period so that the messages, there was not much of a log if we were ever caught.

Andy and Red Bull also took up aliases.

He would pretend that he was talking to his uncle.

He would call me uncle from time to time, just in case, like, somebody spotted what he was doing.

Some of those aliases were a little more embarrassing than others.

Eventually, we kind of upgraded our cover story to, like, me pretending to be his secret girlfriend.

And we used a lot of, like, heart emojis, but that was a little too cringy, and we just couldn't keep it up.

But the golden rule that stuck was how Andy and Red Bull would say hi to each other.

We created a protocol where, you know, when we started the conversation, the first person would say Red, the second person would say Bull, to make sure that his computer had not been seized.

He sent me photos of a whiteboard that showed a leaderboard of who had scammed the most that month.

He sent me a spreadsheet that turned out to be a floor plan of the whole dormitory and all the different workers there.

He sent me a picture of this big Chinese ceremonial drum that was played for scams of $100,000 or more.

And then like once in a while, he would then tell me to record my screen and turn on video on those calls.

And then keep pretending to talk to his uncle as he walked around and videotaped.

And I recorded, you know, outside the compound, into the lobby of the office, sometimes into the cafeteria, and once into the actual work floor, the office itself, where I could see, you know, the whole layout of the office and even colored flags on different teams' desks to connote whether they had met their scam quota requirements.

of revenue that month.

I told Red Bull, like, let's stop.

We've got to stop.