Andy Greenwald

it wasn't just that there was a moment when streamers needed to get attention, not just retain subscribers, so they were willing to take bigger risks on things in the hopes of hitting a home run, but that creators like Phoebe Waller-Bridge and Donald Glover and a host of others, Michaela Cole I would put in there as well, essentially jumped the line in what has been often to its detriment, but sometimes, parentheses, the pit, not to its detriment,

kind of stodgy and kind of wait your turn.

Yes.

An example we use a lot is like Mad Men.

The Mad Men pilot was the spec that Matthew Weiner wrote when he was working on the Ted Danson sitcom Becker in order to be hired by David Chase to spend however many years, four or five, six years writing

At his knee, basically writing that show before he got a chance.

And the reason he got a chance when he was older than those creators we just mentioned was because AMC was in a position that a few years later, Netflix and Amazon were in slightly where they were like, we'll do the thing everyone else won't.

And we're kind of kind of past that.

Well, I've got five options.

I started my day on London time today.

So these are peak hours right now.

Could we transfer ourselves?

Do you want to go back and forth?

Okay, which one should I start with?

Well, I'll start with the most obviously Star City, which is, if we take the premise where For All Mankind is a respected and beloved show that has never set the world on fire, and you're going to tell the Russian side of events, are we ready for a spinoff of The Americans?

Called The Russians.

the season of television would be the KGB trying to ferret out, uh, deep cover American agents in Moscow in the eighties.

Okay.

See what I mean?

Yeah.