Andy McGrillin

How has it changed for you?

What, what did you think was one way and how has that evolved?

I think the obvious one was how cool is it that we've got spaceships coming from another planet somewhere far away and these creatures sometimes come and visit, abduct, mutilate, contact, you know.

And then you start to, really from doing the podcast,

you speak to more people same as all you guys will have and you hear different theories you get the idea they're not coming from that far away actually there's physical beings there's non-physical beings and it's just the fact that it's an umbrella phenomenon and there are so many people who love different aspects of this phenomenon i think talking before we hit record about people going to contact in the desert there's such an array of interests there

and you can be interested in the ufo topic like myself and have things that i find really really debatable on their authenticity i.e when someone tells me they're in touch with beings from the Pallades or these special crystals help them talk to nhI okay

maybe um but that that stuff i really struggle with but you know i i just told you about my sighting from 30 years ago and in most a lot of folks might call bs on that and say that sounds ridiculous he's misidentified something he's making it up whatever whatever whatever so who am i to kind of call out someone else's experience as ridiculous as it may sound as being inauthentic or not true so i always kind of hold that kind of close to my chest

But yeah, I think just the size of the topic and the different areas of interest

We're going to talk about David Wilcox, probably some of the ideas that he brought forward.

I think the idea in general that there are huge names in this conversation and have been for decades who can almost at times be found out as being outright liars or charlatans.

And they will still have a following.

They will still have people go along with them regardless.

Corey Goode.

literally sat in a deposition and more or less said i made all this up this is my intellectual property but he still has people funding that fantasy so it's a topic that i think more and more people find their tribe with it i know that's a big thing in psychology finding your tribe and i think that happens with a lot of different things football i know myself and pavel are huge football fans you know musicians like dan you know people find their tribe and you stick to it

But people can be so stubborn and pig-headed and not be able to see the kind of wood from the trees at times.

So, yeah, I think that answers your question.

I did a series entirely on the Secret Space program towards the back end of last year.

And I was trying my best to do an episode on 20 and back.

And I got about 40 minutes into the production.

I'd spent days on this script and recording it because I record and write as I go.