Andy McGrillin

And you're just, you know, and then there's, they just spit out these shows.

What do you find?

Like, is I,

I guess everybody's got their thing, right?

The tribe thing you said is really true.

That's an interesting point.

Do you feel like we've gotten to a UFO mainstream moment?

It feels like it's kind of gone fully mainstream.

Do you get that sense?

No, not properly.

It's not there yet.

Until it's regular.

I think the closest we have come to UFOs being truly mainstream...

and you've got to think it's not just in the US, it's got to hit international shores as well, was Grush.

When Grush came forward, that hit the UK cycle for a couple of days.

That was... And I don't maybe think people in the United States can appreciate because, you know, you're in a bubble in the US, really, politically and with the news cycles, whereas I think, is it fair to say outside of the US, we probably see a lot more international news because what happens in the States affects us a lot more.

So...

The Grush story hit the UK shores, hit the mainstream, hit the broadsheet journalists.

I had phone calls off of all kind of weird and wonderful newspapers, but serious people who were like, I can't believe this is true, but this guy seems really genuine.

Grush himself shocked a lot of folks.