Andy McGrillin

This is this week, right?

It was a little bit strange.

I mean, if you look at the end of the day, Kirkpatrick got called out, as many folks have done.

I don't think it's much of a surprise because the main Kirkpatrick call out was him saying he had no interest in the topic, hadn't been in any meetings, etc.

And then Brandon Fugle dropped a picture of him in the Skinwalker Ranch catch up, you know, very clearly there.

Kirkpatrick's lied before I along with many others I've tried to speak to him on the podcast and then obviously Gallaudet calls him out at this thing I didn't see the background as to why Tim turned up at the event but do we want folks going around doing that I don't know Tim is obviously pretty pissed off he was being called a liar but it was a bit strange and

We didn't learn anything new from this other than Sean Kirkpatrick lied about his interest and the UFO topic, which we know.

We should probably watch to give people context because there'll be quite a lot of people that haven't seen this, I imagine.

That feels like a huge moment to me.

Can somebody tell me what the facts and the proven lies are around this?

I'll be honest.

This isn't, in my opinion, much to do with flying saucers.

It's more about the characters of two men who are in the field.

So it is kind of slightly related, but not exactly like nuts and bolts stuff.

Yeah.

What are the... Was it in Kirkpatrick's office?

I don't know.

I know you've uncovered some extra stuff, Pavel, in the last week.

Yeah.

So the meeting didn't have Kirkpatrick in it, because Tim Phillips has said, I don't know, I was going to the meeting.