Andy McGrillin

Why is this so difficult?

That's the issue.

That's a really important point here, is people like Kirkpatrick, Phillips, and others get called out as liars by the UFO community, but then when it suits...

you use their words as truth so when do you choose to believe them and when do you not if they're liars you have to assume or you have to at least be wary that anything they say is false misinformation misdirection so i think you have to be very careful like pavel says dan heard one thing pavel heard another you can't just go well this guy lies all the time but he's not lying here so ha we've caught him

How do you know?

Yeah, how do you know?

It was more the, has there been anything that's come up that has created a contradiction between what Gallaudet has said in the past or anything like that?

Has he remained relatively consistent and it's Phillips and Kirkpatrick that have literally said two different things at different times?

I've seen the picture of Kirkpatrick at that meeting about Skinwalker.

I know that.

But if you step back from it a little bit and look at it from a little farther away, I think what it shows, what I see is a rift.

I see what, you know, Dolan talks about these factions that are sort of at war with one another over what to do about this information.

And one group wants to disclose and one group is not interested in that.

And I think what you're seeing is that play out in public here.

Regardless of the he said, she said kind of nature of this, I mean, you're seeing...

The former head of NOAA, a retired admiral confronts Sean Kirkpatrick in a room full of people on camera publicly.

I mean, that is pretty dramatic.

That's a dramatic moment.

And it really shows there are people who are dedicated.

Whatever is going on with Tim Galladet in terms of his truthfulness or honesty in one conversation to another.