Andy Stumpf

Now, people will say, why isn't ICE only focusing on that?

Or our immigration policy, why isn't it only focusing on that?

I don't know the last time you checked in with the criminal underworld, but the last time that I did, which was never, by the way,

I don't think they go to a clubhouse and put a map up.

Like in the coffee shop, we have a US map and we have people put pins into the board where they're from because it's a really cool representation of where they come to visit.

I don't really know any criminal organizations that would do that because guess what you're doing?

You're giving people a roadmap to where to start looking to come find you.

In my experience, I mean, there's a couple...

versions of criminals.

There's the bottom level, the dum-dums, and then there's the top level, pretty sophisticated.

And I can make an analogy on the people we used to look for overseas.

The dum-dums are not hard to find because they're out in broad daylight doing dum-dum stuff.

Sophisticated people who are savvy, electronically savvy,

surveillance savvy.

They're just operating at a different plane than the dum-dums.

Guess what?

They're really hard to find because they know they need to operate in the opposite of plain sight.

They need to be behind the curtains.

So yeah, I'm sure that our agencies would love to actually start at the apex of that pyramid.

And I do think that they are doing that.