Andy Stumpf

Whether or not they are able to find enough actionable intelligence is probably the difference there.

But in my mind, it's like, let's start right there.

Do I want anybody in this country that is here illegally?

Conceptually, I don't, but that's a really black and white answer to something that is incredibly gray and far more nuanced than that, because people will bring up situations like this.

What if it's a child that's illegally brought into the country with no say whatsoever from parents, and then those parents, by the way, also enter into the workforce, they pay taxes, they pay into our social systems, and they are a net benefit positive add to this country from an economic perspective.

But that child, should that child be deported?

Those are hard conversations.

And these are places where I'm not an expert, and I don't even know if I'm qualified to express my opinion on that.

But I think societies need laws to be able to function, sustain themselves, and grow into the future.

If you're on the other side of that law, well, there are consequences to actions.

Now, having said that,

There is, if you keep with the pyramid, I mean, maybe the bottom layer of the pyramid is the child that is brought into the country as an infant who has no say in it.

And they don't have any desire to destroy the U.S.

And for their entire life, they lived and expressed their best ability as somebody who would be a citizen of this country.

Like, I'll put them at the bottom.

People willingly coming across and let's say maybe they are illegal aliens in the country and are facilitating drugs or in crime, right?

Like then we start to climb up the pyramid.

In a perfect world, we would work our way down.

We don't live in a perfect world.

So would I really like to see the news leading with all those hardened people, the criminals, the threats, the danger?