Andy Stumpf

Yes, absolutely.

But that's not a reality.

Because the reality is I actually think that tier, that apex of the pyramid,

is mathematically a very, very small number in comparison to the total number of people who are in this country illegally.

Now, even a really small number, if you multiply that a percentage by how many are in the country, which was actually hard to find a definitive number online.

So I'm not even going to put one out there.

It's a large number though.

It's in the tens of millions.

You multiply even a small number by that, it ends up being a number that, especially when you look at it through the lens of like risk and danger, it's not awesome.

But I understand the difficulty associated with that.

There is more than that in this country.

Then I mean, just those apex, we'll call them apex predators.

So in the absence of being able to find those people, what are you left with?

You're left with these agencies enforcing the law.

And this is where I come back to, is it an optic issue?

or an objective issue.

Because I'm going to run through some stats here.

Let's just talk about deportations or formal removals.

And it's, you know, I went through multiple AI platforms.

Let me be very clear where I got this information.