Andy Stumpf

And I asked them all to do deep research, to compare and contrast, and to start spitting out numbers.

The numbers can be skewed depending on the terminology that you're using, whether it's a formal removal, a deportation, does a deportation equal a removal plus a return?

Was it ICE?

Was it DHS?

It's anything but crystal clear.

But I think we can get some wave top numbers here.

I don't know.

I don't personally know of anybody arguing for unchecked illegal immigration.

Perhaps they're out there.

But the reason I bring up the objective, which is enforcement policy of the immigration laws in this country, is let's just go back from Obama to Trump 1 to Biden to Trump 2.

People being deported from this country is not a new thing by any stretch.

So Obama, between 2009 to 2017, we're going to put it at approximately 2.7 million formal removals.

That's a lot of people.

Now that's split over eight years.

Okay.

Trump won 2017 to 2021, approximately 1.5 million.

And this one says deportations.

And again, this is where the language gets, you can really move things around on a chart when you start playing with the language, but let's just assume that all these stats are relatively in line.

2.7 million from Obama.

Also with the 2.7 million from Obama, before I lose my train of thought here,