Andy Stumpf

Where were the people who were rallying and protesting against that?

I'm not gonna claim that I was deeply paying attention to it, but I don't remember seeing any.

And I think we'll get to what the difference is here in a second.

My point in this is what's happening now from an optic perspective is definitely different, but from an objective perspective, it's not.

So Obama to Trump won, 1.5 million.

Biden, 2021 to 2025, approximately 1.1 million.

Trump, too, from 2025 to present, approximately 605,000 since January 20th, 2025.

So are we seeing anything different in the desire for the United States to enforce its immigration policy?

not from an objective perspective, from what I can tell.

Now the optic, there's a conversation to be had around that.

And this is where, first off, I have no access to any insider spit or information.

I have traditional media sources.

I have social media of what I can read.

I have TV, radio, podcasts, all those things.

I have no inside beta information.

So I'll assume that the information that I'm at least exposed to is relatively similar to what anybody else could be exposed to.

I probably see a little bit more mini Dachshund content than most because I interface with it because I have one and he's amazing in every respect, the most handsome dog ever, but I digress.

So other than that, I'm going to assume that I have kind of the same template of information that everybody else has.

And I am seeing some wild stuff fly around the internet.

So some of it, I didn't understand.