Andy Stumpf

The vast majority of the time that I trained to be involved with this type of stuff, we would approach from the side and the rear, and that's as into the tactic as I will get.

However, like I said, situation determines tactic.

And maybe that situation on the ground did not allow for that.

Maybe they were moving at the time.

So there's a lot of variables there.

It terminated in a woman who lost her life.

And I bet if we could rewind the time machine to, let's say, the morning that that happened.

And you could show that woman a video of later in the day of what was going to happen from her voluntary choice to go and be a part of what was happening in the Minneapolis area.

Would she make the same decision?

My guess would be no.

And what I'm seeing is.

even from that situation, is people taking that situation and inflaming it and throwing more gas on the fire in the hopes of getting more people to show up and to interfere with these ICE activities.

Now, what is that going to do if that happens?

Is that going to escalate or deescalate the type of interactions that these agents are having?

And don't get me wrong, I've seen some stuff that is absolutely idiotic.

People being shoved to the ground.

I'll call it some reckless cowboy behavior.

I'm saying that broadly, not specifically.

I understand how agents, especially when constantly being, what would be the word?

I don't want to say harassed because I don't necessarily know that that's their motivation, even though it could be, constantly interfacing with people in this antagonistic role.