Andy Stumpf

Did we do the best that we could?

And it's something that we can't stop.

I don't know.

I've started to have pretty deep conversations with friends from that community around what can be done.

I don't think an absolutionist approach is good.

I think driving to zero is impossible because it's an affliction that strikes all of humanity.

A reductionist approach I think is helpful.

But at this point, I don't know what else can be done.

I mean, millions of dollars advocated towards these type of programs.

Things like Ambio, you know, just south of the border, or what Marcus and Amber Capone are doing with Vets, which are largely an interface to that.

And there's portals and people.

And I'm on some of these groups where...

Even the inkling, somebody is in trouble or you need help.

Like people are, they're trying to get stuff done, getting connected.

People are getting on airplanes.

And I was with mutual friend DJ, I think it was last week.

And one of his new guys who had become a team leader who had gotten out, just killed himself.

And both, and we sit there with faces like this, with things that are, that we don't know what to say in between us.

I don't know.

I don't know what's going on there.