Andy Stumpf

You might come out of the box immune to it, but I think either something psychologically or physiologically can happen that maybe could open a door that had started off closed.

Yeah, I worry less about the guys who are able to verbalize what they're going through.

It's the ones who are more quiet.

You talk about lonely at the top.

I left Dave's military career largely out of it.

He originally wanted to go to development group and didn't make it through the screening process, I think largely more due to a personality conflict with one of the instructors, which totally happens.

You get on somebody's radar,

You might have to come back through.

But he ended up going to another JSOC command that works at an incredibly high level, very less known, oftentimes by yourself in adversarial countries.

And he crushed it there, I think for like 10 years.

I mean, it's like the top performer ever.

of performers.

And then they contracted him to come back and teach guys in their own very long selection course.

What I didn't realize is how much he was struggling just holding up that image, though.

A part of their selection course occurs out in Las Vegas.

He had more than one incident where he thought his career was going to be over because he went out and got shitfaced and got arrested.

They work so independently and individually so often

Nobody even realized he had gotten in trouble until his security clearance came back around and it popped on his security clearance, which then leads to a whole variety of other things.

But that happened to him while he was active and then after while he was out.

But if you were to look at the guy, I mean, you'd say to him, how do I match your career exactly?