Andy Stumpf

He brought a lot with him.

Again, that's a data point.

I can't apply that broadly, but in the anecdotal conversations I have had, it is trending past 50% of the guys brought a lot of stuff with them.

I think it's important that somebody like yourself as a scientist is open to other non-scientific answers or possibilities, at least.

because we clearly don't have it figured all out yet, that I'm not a scientist, but I'm pretty sure scientists don't know everything, regardless of how some of them might like to tell you that they do.

They definitely do not know everything.

And if we don't know everything, maybe let's just keep it open to possibilities because in that journey, hopefully one day we will figure out everything.

But if we lose a bunch of people along the way because we were unwilling to at least even table a conversation about something maybe outside of the science realm,

I don't think it's worth knowing everything.

This is just my belief.

I think that's okay.

I think I like that type of malleable willingness to accept other options much more than I like the dogmatic, rigid, you're not going to do anything other than it's either this way or the highway.

It's a deep topic, man.

It's a tough one.

I know everybody wants easy solutions.

I just don't think there is one on that topic.

It's a painful, long road.

Yeah.

The bed.

Do the bed.