Anna Williamson

But she signed up to classic Bless Katie.

So she signed up to Sesco Dating when we used to do couples with her partner at the time, Chris Boyson.

So Chris... I really liked him, actually.

Chris and Katie came in.

We started doing some couple therapy with them.

They were really open.

We were going great guns.

And then...

There was a problem with contracts.

She wasn't contractually allowed to work for another network.

Did you do an Anna Ricky Gervais rat face special when I like met Lucy Punch from Amanda Land?

No, we were like mates, you know, texting each other.

When you're an open book, and obviously she's very good friends, you know, and with one of my very good friends, Kerry Katona.

And Kerry's a very similar person because they are so open publicly.

There is no filter.

There are almost also a lot of, in the past, not so much Kerry anymore, but...

no boundaries, you leave yourself so wide open then for public scrutiny.

And as you say, the rough with the smooth.

I mean, Katie's taken years of bashing.

And some of her behaviour and some of her actions probably are things I would condone.