Annabel

That's why we call her the details lady.

This podcast, Chat 10 Looks 3, is recorded on the lands of the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation.

We acknowledge them and their leaders along with the traditional owners of whichever land you're on listening to it right now.

Hello, my glasses are fogging up.

Do you get this a lot?

I get it in the morning.

Oh, that's interesting.

Only in the morning.

Yeah.

I mean, maybe it's some sort of mad perimenopausal thing, but sometimes I just get this feeling of deep confusion and uncertainty and I think, am I going mad?

And then I realise it's just that my glasses have fogged up and I need to wipe them on something.

different to the air temperature around you or something i've got no idea i just think it's because you are as cool as a cucumber like in prehistoric terms a saber-toothed tiger could jump out of the you know whatever at you and you'd go okay i have three ways to uh triangulate my escape here and i'd be just screaming and leaping into your arms firstly i'd do this so

But we have both had a very large and odd week, really, haven't we?

Because, I mean, I don't know.

We both interviewed Michelle Obama, which was very cool.

Yes.

It's so funny.

I've seen two photographs of you in the last couple of days.

One is of you holding up your prize backpack that you won for winning at Pickleball.

And the other one is you with Michelle Obama.