Anne Applebaum

I mean, it's funny, for all the kind of Euroskeptics about, you know, overbearing Europe and how it's supposedly, you know, they're creating a single state.

Actually, it's not a single state, and that's part of the problem.

You know, so it's very hard.

It's still hard for Europe to act as one.

And that's why you have this formula, the coalition of the willing.

You know, you have this group of countries who are working together, the ones who and the ones who care the most are involved the most.

And that coalition of the willing is that is the group that's supporting Ukraine.

But there's been a big change in Europe and European strategic thinking and in European understanding of the world.

And, you know, I think the big realization that Europe has made a huge mistake in allowing the U.S.

to dominate Europe.

The new technology, defense technology, but also the Internet, AI, I think it's sunk in.

I mean, everybody gets it that that was a disastrous European failure.

Whether there's time to catch up, I don't know.

But you certainly have now the formation of new companies and new thinking.

I mean, I know you're interested in that.

That's begun.

And, you know, it's interesting to see the connection between this geopolitical shift, which is happening kind of in the ether, and people saying, right, okay, we need our own stuff.

And that's happening now.

To some extent, that's true.

I mean, I think people are still hoping the U.S.