Anne Applebaum
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And my friends in Poland, where I lived part of the time, and in London, where I worked for many years, and in the United States were also anti-communists. came from that world. And I watched that world divide in many places.
And it's funny, I thought that in 2016, I'd been through that, 2015 in Poland, 2016 in the US, that I'd been through that, the divisions had resolved themselves, the people who are really fanatical and wound up being pro-Trump or or fanatically pro-Brexit in some cases, that they had sort of faded out of my life.
And it's funny, I thought that in 2016, I'd been through that, 2015 in Poland, 2016 in the US, that I'd been through that, the divisions had resolved themselves, the people who are really fanatical and wound up being pro-Trump or or fanatically pro-Brexit in some cases, that they had sort of faded out of my life.
And it's funny, I thought that in 2016, I'd been through that, 2015 in Poland, 2016 in the US, that I'd been through that, the divisions had resolved themselves, the people who are really fanatical and wound up being pro-Trump or or fanatically pro-Brexit in some cases, that they had sort of faded out of my life.
And then I discovered in this election cycle in 2024 that there were new incidents of it. And there were new friends who were put off by whether it was transgender issues or whether it was economic issues who found themselves wanting to support Trump. And I frankly don't cope very well with it. I know some people are better at separating their political views and their private lives than I am.
And then I discovered in this election cycle in 2024 that there were new incidents of it. And there were new friends who were put off by whether it was transgender issues or whether it was economic issues who found themselves wanting to support Trump. And I frankly don't cope very well with it. I know some people are better at separating their political views and their private lives than I am.
And then I discovered in this election cycle in 2024 that there were new incidents of it. And there were new friends who were put off by whether it was transgender issues or whether it was economic issues who found themselves wanting to support Trump. And I frankly don't cope very well with it. I know some people are better at separating their political views and their private lives than I am.
I know a lot of people have relatives who are on the other side of a divide and they have to live with them because you don't desert your elderly father for something like that. But I have found it difficult because this story comes so close to I want to say values that I hold, but also values that I thought all of us shared.
I know a lot of people have relatives who are on the other side of a divide and they have to live with them because you don't desert your elderly father for something like that. But I have found it difficult because this story comes so close to I want to say values that I hold, but also values that I thought all of us shared.
I know a lot of people have relatives who are on the other side of a divide and they have to live with them because you don't desert your elderly father for something like that. But I have found it difficult because this story comes so close to I want to say values that I hold, but also values that I thought all of us shared.
You know, so, you know, if I have the people who I know and who I consider to be friends, I think of them as people who believe in the rule of law, who support the Constitution, who think, you know, a democratic political system is better, who are bothered by lying in politics. And, you know, it's not that we all share values.
You know, so, you know, if I have the people who I know and who I consider to be friends, I think of them as people who believe in the rule of law, who support the Constitution, who think, you know, a democratic political system is better, who are bothered by lying in politics. And, you know, it's not that we all share values.
You know, so, you know, if I have the people who I know and who I consider to be friends, I think of them as people who believe in the rule of law, who support the Constitution, who think, you know, a democratic political system is better, who are bothered by lying in politics. And, you know, it's not that we all share values.
We don't have to have the same views about everything, but there are these kind of basic values that we share. And I've discovered that that's not true. And I find it now difficult to deal with people who now live in this other reality.
We don't have to have the same views about everything, but there are these kind of basic values that we share. And I've discovered that that's not true. And I find it now difficult to deal with people who now live in this other reality.
We don't have to have the same views about everything, but there are these kind of basic values that we share. And I've discovered that that's not true. And I find it now difficult to deal with people who now live in this other reality.
And the thing I'm most afraid of now is that once you made the decision to vote for Trump in 2024, especially in 2016, it was different because you could be, we didn't really know what kind of president he was going to be. It could have been a protest. You didn't like Hillary Clinton, whatever. There were reasons why people did it.
And the thing I'm most afraid of now is that once you made the decision to vote for Trump in 2024, especially in 2016, it was different because you could be, we didn't really know what kind of president he was going to be. It could have been a protest. You didn't like Hillary Clinton, whatever. There were reasons why people did it.
And the thing I'm most afraid of now is that once you made the decision to vote for Trump in 2024, especially in 2016, it was different because you could be, we didn't really know what kind of president he was going to be. It could have been a protest. You didn't like Hillary Clinton, whatever. There were reasons why people did it.
When you chose in 2024, you chose someone who had broken the law in multiple ways, and you knew it. You chose someone who sought to overthrow the results of the election of 2020, and you knew it. So you were choosing someone who you knew to be lawless, who you knew had disdain for American institutions.