Anne Klibanski

Welcome, Anne.

Thank you very much for having me here today, Pooja.

Looking forward to our discussion.

So I think part of what we're seeing is a definition of progress.

What does it mean to be able to say we've made sufficient progress or we are where we want to be?

The quote I think that you reference is what I would call an optimal end state.

The optimal end state is when we no longer have to say, here is the first woman who's in this position.

Here is the first woman who has done that.

Here is a trailblazer.

It is really thinking about where we need to get to as a final state.

And that is looking at everyone, everyone for their talents, for their abilities, for what they have to bring to any position.

And that is the ultimate metric.

Basically, we need to get beyond the numbers.

Numbers are not the final metric.

Numbers are just the beginning.

So when we say we have X number of women in this job,

We have X number of minorities in this position.

We're still counting numbers.

But what we haven't done is fundamentally address the culture, the thinking, and the realization of what it really means to create the workforce of the future.

So have we made progress?