Annie Jacobsen

Essentially, they are there to give intelligence to the president to prevent military action.

This is also transforming in the world in which we live, where intelligence is used not necessarily to prevent action,

you know, military action, but to foster it.

But I think the biggest problem that listeners, viewers would benefit from thinking about is that after 9-11, this new organization, the Director of National Intelligence, this office was created.

And that's what Tulsi Gabbard is currently the director of.

And from my understanding of decades on reporting and intelligence is there is a

I don't want to say hostility, but there is a rivalry, if you will, or a class of a clash of cultures between the CIA and the, you know, and the D. Yeah.

Yeah.

And so things are stovepiped there, which ironically was the whole reason that organization made it.

Right.

And again, that is interesting.

All this stuff is really interesting to me, Glenn, because it's human nature.

Yeah.

You know, what you see, you kind of see in your own family or your tribe or your extended family or your tribe, people getting power or prestige and then kind of wanting a little more.

And so...

I think these are human at the core.

They're human issues for somebody.

Yeah, absolutely.

It makes sense.

Because I am an eternal optimist, which I know people find shocking because I write about the grimace of this.