Antonio Pascual-Leone

You know, and later the client says to me, I don't think he says I don't think my dad could ever explain that about himself.

He doesn't really he doesn't know why he's mean, but I know.

And the client ends up in some ways forgiving his father for their terrible relationship, which isn't always the way these things work out.

And there's not a mandate for that.

But it was a very interesting turn.

He decides to forgive his father, but to always keep a healthy distance.

He says, I'm going to shield my daughter from her grandfather.

He's a mean guy.

Yeah.

I don't have a lot of extended family.

Uh, I never met my grandparents on, on either side, um, because my, my parents immigrated, um, and, and they were older, but I, I had, um, an aunt who was the oldest person in the family, um,

And I was very close to her.

I mean, when I was born, she actually named me, right?

She named me after her husband, my first name.

And they were like grandparents to me in many ways.

They were an aunt and uncle.

They never had children of their own.

They couldn't.

And so I guess there was a closeness.

I mean, they had other nephews and nieces, but...