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Arash Azizi

πŸ‘€ Speaker
481 total appearances

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The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

The other vision is fail the state, civil war, ruin the economy.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

I mean, these are two extremes, and often it could be something in the middle.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

So Iranians really need some bold reasoning, and they shouldn't only think about, oh, well, Trump didn't give us all we want or not.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

The stakes are really high.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

And if you know something about Iranian history, the stakes have often been high when Iran has been facing the First World War and the Second World War, through which Iran was invaded, and then other sort of grand moment, the Cold War.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

And Iranian leaders often have then risen up to the occasion to try to safeguard Iran's sovereignty.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

And that's really what we need right now.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

And unfortunately, I'm not sure that the level of leadership in Tehran is up to the task.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

Why?

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

I mean, besides the obvious, but expand on that.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

There are two answers.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

For so long under Ayatollah Khamenei, who was Iran's leader from 1989 until he was killed earlier this year, you know, he read Iran to this ideological Islamist vision.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

You know, Khamenei, I always tell my students, the best way to think about him is not like Islamist fundamentalist.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

It's like hippies in the 60s.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

You know, he was this revolutionary ideologue who...

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

came out with his very austere vision and he held power and he held on to it.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

And he was also, he was a worse mix of things, revolutionary, rigid, but very tactically cautious and almost cowardly.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

So he wouldn't make big decisions.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

He held on for this grand vision that would never come true.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

So he really brought it onto the bad place.