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Arash Azizi

πŸ‘€ Speaker
481 total appearances

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The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

That's one reason.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

The number two reason is that there are, even though I said, you know, the regime does have some cohesion, but there are different sort of

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

factions with their own military and economic interests, and they really need to come together and make some bold sort of decisions, and that's not always easy to make.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

I am still somewhat very cautiously optimistic that this will happen.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

I think at the end of the tunnel,

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

We will have American-Iranian normalization.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

We will have Iran's return to the global economy.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

We will have Iran's regional integration.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

I think that's still the most likely outcome.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

It's a win for both sides.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

Is it?

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

Yeah, exactly.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

So it's not a win in terms of the war reaching its goals.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

Got it.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

But it is what Trump said back in 2017 when he first took office.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

He wanted to negotiate with the regime and get a deal like this.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

I think the war was a huge mistake, frankly, by any, and I think it would be hard in the future for it to be seen differently.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

And, you know, we knew all of this thing, you know, it's like, you know, it's not like nobody had thought of going to war with Iran before, right?

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

And everything that resulted from the war is exactly what everyone, I mean, if you talk to Obama era officials or Biden era officials, I mean, they knew exactly these things that happens is exactly what they thought would happen.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

Right.