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Arash Azizi

πŸ‘€ Speaker
481 total appearances

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The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

The clarifying fact is that

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

even most powerful people in the regime, powerful factions of the regime, don't belong to these hardliners.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

Because if the Revolutionary Guards, the IRGC, which to be clear, are basically the country, I mean, they're running most of the economy, much of the security, much of the politics,

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

they really are the regime in many ways.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

Although with the caveat that they're not one thing, they're kind of decentralized themselves.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

But if they really took this hardline attitude, that would be just the attitude of the regime.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

But it's kind of actually the flip side, i.e.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

these hardliners are a minority, and the regime's main bodies are actually pretty cohesive.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

So this myth of, oh, we don't know who to make a deal with, is not really true, because they've been pretty impressive and banded together.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

And what are some of the evidence I have for this, right?

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

You should always ask people for evidence, by the way, because there's always analysis always, and you ask them, okay, how do we know this, right?

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

And it goes to one leak from one outlet, right?

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

Okay, but what is my solid analysis?

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

Taslim, for example, which we know is run by the IRGC, has attacked the hardliners, front-on attacked the hardliners.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

And we saw there was a sort of a letter in the parliament, 261 MPs signed it in support of the negotiating team, and the hardliners didn't sign it.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

Some hardliners didn't sign it.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

So yes, there is infighting, but there is significant regime cohesion for their own interests.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

They realize that if they have too much infighting, they'll collapse.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

So they're banded together.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

And the hardliners are a minority.