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Arash Azizi

πŸ‘€ Speaker
481 total appearances

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The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

What they are is basically pragmatists.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

It's a pragmatism born out of the actual situation, because they understand, okay, we can't fight and destroy the United States.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

You can write articles about doing that, but you can't actually do it, right?

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

So as a result, we need to negotiate, obviously, we need to get a deal.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

But important point also, on domestic issues, a lot of them are,

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

Also, what I would say, liberalizers, not in a political sense, but in the religious sense.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

They understand that you can't enforce, you know, the most important part of it is the mandatory hijab, the mandatory veiling.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

They understand you can't enforce it.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

They kind of know you have to give up on the whole Islamist puritan society.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

So they're authoritarian, can be pretty brutal.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

but they are amenable to deals with the West and to social liberalization.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

And when I say they, you know, Bahr al-Ghalib, the Speaker of the Parliament, an old IRGC guy, is an embodiment of this attitude.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

He's right now kind of the strongest man in Iran.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

I mean, it appears that he's medically unwell, basically.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

Like, he's not doing so well.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

But here's what I think about the state of the play.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

I think the way it works at this point is that he is basically not being hands-on.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

He lets Alibov and the National Security Council run things.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

And for very important things, including this deal, they'll probably want to go get his signature.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

But he probably is amenable, from what I understand, to...