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Arash Azizi

πŸ‘€ Speaker
481 total appearances

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The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

to giving this signature.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

And look, I'm a cautious guy, by which I mean, there's a lot of people who say a lot of things.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

That's why I say, you know, you should ask them, how do you know?

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

Like there are all these articles about Moshe Tava is more hardline than his father or whatever.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

How do you know?

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

Like, what's the evidence?

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

This is someone who's never spoken publicly.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

What we know is complaints of different people who've been victim of the security services who believe they were in

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

contact with Moshtaba.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

That's basically the entirety of what we know Moshtaba before he became leader is that, right?

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

Is that they arrest people and they're like, the security forces took me and I know Moshtaba greenlit it.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

But what I do know, based on speaking also to folks inside Iran, which I do, I mean folks in the security apparatus and regime, is that he clearly is giving some leeway to Qalibaf and others in the National Security Council to do their thing.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

So that's my assessment at the moment, that we don't know a lot about him, but he's not hands-on.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

Even if he wanted to, I don't think he could force a decision on these guys who are actually running things from his little hospital bed.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

It would take a long time for him to become a supreme leader that actually is running things, if he ever gets to do so.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

And I think he might never actually be able to.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

It's possible to talk to people inside and around.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

I mean, there is a total internet shutdown, but there are phones.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

People get around.

The Bulwark Podcast
Arash Azizi and Jodi Kantor: Iran Has the Leverage

Internet shutdown somehow.