Ash London

Yay!

And it was so clear to anyone with half a brain even back then that before long you would go on to achieve many a great thing and, of course, you're just getting started.

So, look, I'm not surprised that all these years later you are interviewing me on your amazing, hit, life-changing podcast.

I'm a good person to start with, really.

And I think it's...

It's not that I'm a nice person and I am a nice person.

I think it's that I don't take any of it too seriously.

Yeah.

And that's where, like, if we make a mistake, we're going to be fine.

The world will keep spinning.

You know, like I have a life outside of radio and work and if you can't enjoy yourself, then why the hell are we doing it?

So I think that's, I think not taking it too seriously is a key to being a good person.

Big boss, as you say.

Yeah.

I love that.

It's so wonderful to hear.

And I think it just came from this belief that like no guest –

is better than me or you.

We're all doing our jobs.

And the more of these famous people you meet, the more you realise they are as insecure and scared about how they're going to be perceived as the rest of us.