Athena Aktipis

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80,000 Hours Podcast · #144 Classic episode – Athena Aktipis on why cancer is a fundamental universal phenomena · 9 Jan 2026 podcast

I mean, I think that there's definitely some some parallels there.

And if we kind of go back to this idea that, you know, the body really is a sort of, you know, fascist state that doesn't let cells like do anything.

I mean, to me, that would be like a personal hell because like I love, you know.

Thinking about things differently, being creative, you know, asking like, well, why do we have this rule?

Like, I mean, to me, that is that's really important.

And, you know, and sometimes it's actually important for cooperation in human societies to be willing to challenge the systems, to be willing to break rules that, you know, might be things that people, you know, are accepting that might not be ethical, that

might not be the right way of organizing things for the well-being of society.

So I think, you know, it isn't the case that cheating is always bad.

If we define cheating as, you know, breaking shared rules that, you know, that have, you know, some fitness consequences for the individuals within them.

I mean, if, you know, if cheating is always about like, you know, you have a group that's like really agreed to

Hey, we're going to go in on this together and follow these rules.

And you have, you know, breaking of those rules.

And then, yeah, you can say there's like cheating exploitation going on.

But, you know, sometimes people are born into systems that they never agreed to the rules of.

Or sometimes, you know, rules are put in place to exploit people.

Right.

So I think that, you know, it's it.

It gets interesting, you know, when we start really interrogating these ideas of like, you know, what does it mean to cheat, to be a cheater?

And, you know, and sometimes, you know, we do need to challenge the systems that we're in and push them a little bit or even straight up cheat in the rules so that we don't have, you know, people getting exploited.

So I think it's important to, you know, to not just be like, oh, yeah, we should just...

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