Ava Doe
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52 appearances
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1 series
first heard Feb 2025
last heard Feb 2025
Ava Doe’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.
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And I thought that if you grew up in America and the living was easy, then why would you be interested in cons and scams and, I suppose, heists? But I knew very little at that time.
He said that his brothers were thieves.
What stood out to me that evening was Apollo made a point to turn off his cell phone and put it away. And I don't know that I had been on a date. I didn't date a lot, but I hadn't been on a date where someone did that.
It definitely made me nervous. It made me nervous thinking about what else does it mean if I continue this relationship long term? We'll be right back.
I didn't trust him.
Well, he stole my watch. He stole my jewelry often. So I stopped wearing jewelry just to see what else he would steal.
You know, we started hanging out with all these different people. So some of them were thieves. One was a hacker. One was a canon, which is the lingo for a thief who can steal all by himself. He doesn't need anyone else on the team. One was a really renowned card hustler. His name was Rod the Hop, and he was very famous for this one move called the hop.
They've made observations about people for all of their life and for high consequences. So I'm trying to learn what is it that they're seeing in people because I'm trying to learn to see the same thing.
Because what magic and crime share is the, you, whether it's, whatever the consequences and the consequence in crime is much more severe than it is in magic. But you are trying to, you know, to put it in plain language, get away with something. You know what it's like to try to get away with something.
And when you meet each other, when you meet another person who's been trying to do that, you feel it.
Everyone leaves it at the door. Where you work, who you steal from, what you steal, we leave it at the door when we talk about skills.
Yes. I remember asking Rod, who was in full transparency a really good friend of ours. I said to him, I said, Rod, you could do anything else you want probably. Why are you cheating slot machines? And he said, he never gave me the answer I wanted, but what he said was, I'm just going to do this until this. And it was always some variation of that, that he's just going to do this until this time.
When we had dinner with him, it was fascinating because I asked him, do you hang out with any pickpockets? And he said, no, I don't know any of them. And his tone was interesting. And I said, OK. And he said, oh, you think I'm like them? I said, no, not at all. He said, yeah, I'm not like them. I don't steal from people. And I said, you don't. And he said, no, people play my game.
They will take the money out of their pockets and put it down and play my game. I don't put my hand in their pockets.
When I met Apollo, I was still thinking that I would become a psychiatrist, that I would work in a clinical setting. I didn't think that I would shift gears.
I've always been a watcher, so I just watch. And then one day, he was performing something. I walked away because I had a phone call. When I came back, I saw a detail in the way he handled something, and I figured out how it worked. She was interested in how people responded to him. There was this vulnerable moment where people are exposed to a shift in what they thought is real.
So I wanted to do that. She started off learning how to pickpocket, but then she got tired of it. It was a gender problem. The performing space that I often performed in was corporate parties, which had many men And I didn't love the responses I would get when someone realized I had been in their pockets. Instead, Eva became a kind of magician called a mentalist.
All of the routines you would see a mentalist perform are more things that your mind fools you. Not so much in sleight of hand. It uses some sleight of hand, but mostly psychological. Give me an example. I mean, of a simplistic. Someone might pretend to read your mind. Someone might pretend to have psychic phenomenon. Someone might move an object with their mind on the table. That kind of thing.
And the person, the lady that I was performing for, she, when I said her mother's maiden name back in full, she said, okay. And I thought I failed. But she was stunned. And I realized then that I realized at that moment that if I wanted an applause, maybe mentalism isn't always the thing. People don't applaud mentalism. I don't know why exactly.
I mean, I have some theories about why they don't applaud, but most people are quietly stunned.
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