Ava and the Pickpocket
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Who is Ava Doe and how did she become a pickpocket?
This is Ava Doe. For a while in her 20s, she was a pickpocket.
I had stolen a guy's watch on the Vegas Strip. And it was a good three, four minutes after I had stolen it. And he realized that his watch was missing. And he was shocked. So you were practicing on the Las Vegas Strip? Sometimes, but not all the time. It's very dangerous to do so. I wouldn't recommend it.
Ava didn't keep the watch. She wasn't stealing for money. She was stealing because she was good at it. She was so good at it that people would pay to watch her work. But she says that got old, so she came up with a new idea. I figure I could pickpocket information. That's what you do now? That's right. I'm Phoebe Judge. This is Criminal.
My parents wanted me to be a doctor, obviously. They eventually found out what I do, but not after I ensured that I could make a really good living. You know, immigrant parents and all.
And not a doctor but.
Yeah, but look, I bought a house.
What was Ava Doe's life like growing up in Vietnam?
Until she was 13, Ava and her parents lived in Vietnam.
I should say there's no Vietnamese word for magic. There's only a Vietnamese word for illusion, and there's a Vietnamese word for miracle.
Eva was born four years after the Vietnam War. In Vietnam, it's called the American War. After American troops left, a communist government took over and started trying to unify the country.
I grew up with staunchly anti-communist parents, but I went to school under communist regime, which means that I was exposed to my teachers who would teach me propaganda, and I would go home and my parents would say everything I've just learned was wrong.
She remembers her teachers talking about the communist leader Ho Chi Minh.
You know, we were asked to call him Uncle Ho and there were all these things that Uncle Ho did for the country. And we sang songs to him and I would go home. My parents would say he was a mass murderer and he had committed all these war crimes. And so I was exposed to these different perspectives on the same set of reality very early. Which was confusing for a child.
Right, because you go to school and your teachers are, I mean, you trust that your teachers are teaching you things that you should know. I mean, this is why you go to school.
Absolutely, yes. And it was emotionally confusing as well because I liked my teachers, I liked my parents, I liked everyone, you know.
The day the war ended, a communist military leader said, You have nothing to fear. Between Vietnamese, there are no victors and no vanquished. Only the Americans have been defeated. But Ava's mother and father worried. They knew people who'd been sent to prison camps, also known as re-education camps, because they were thought to be anti-communist, including Ava's grandfather. Ava learned not to talk about her parents' politics.
There was this stretch after the war where a lot of Vietnamese people were escaping by boat, the boat people. And my father was part of those people who would smuggle people out of Vietnam.
Ava didn't know it at the time, but her father's job was to get people to the boats at the Vietnamese shorelines. In order to do this, instead of staying as far as possible from the police, he started trying to get close to them.
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Chapters
6 chapters
1
Who is Ava Doe and how did she become a pickpocket?
1:12–2:42
2
What was Ava Doe's life like growing up in Vietnam?
2:42–8:16
3
How did Ava and Apollo Robbins meet?
8:16–12:18
4
What is Apollo Robbins' background in magic and deception?
12:18–16:35
5
What was the nature of Ava and Apollo's relationship?
16:35–19:40
6
How did Ava and Apollo collaborate with others in the realm of deception?
19:40–41:09