Aza Raskin

And in this new world, the CEOs of major social media companies, their own children were forced to use their product for eight hours a day.

Do you think that they would make different design choices?

Of course they would.

It probably fixed like 80% of social media's problems.

And this is an example of when the power that the CEOs have to affect billions of people, what they see, how they spend their time, gets matched with the responsibility of the consequences of what they make on their own children.

This is a kind of inclusive stakeholding.

And the problem with technology is that those who make the products are disassociated from those that feel the effects.

There's sort of a corollary rule, which is those that feel the pain should be close to the power.

And once power and responsibility become decoupled at scale, that's when you get catastrophes.

And one of the best examples of this comes from cybersecurity, where software companies have become, you know, an ever more important part of critical infrastructure.

But while critical infrastructure physically gets defended, digitally, it's not really defended.

And we spoke to cybersecurity expert Nicole Perlroth about this back in 2022.

There's this thing that happened when as we moved from the physical domain to the digital domain, from atoms to bits, all of the rules that we had to bind power to responsibility, well, they sort of disappeared.

So now fast forward four years to today, we have AI companies creating tools with superhuman hacking abilities like Cloud Mythos.

And we covered that on the most recent episode of the show.

One way to start thinking about solutions is like if you train a model, then anything that people do with it downstream, you somehow become responsible for.

That'll force you to act more like the anthropics that are trying to do like the defense dominant thing.

Yeah, liability is really ethics with teeth.

And it's so clear, right?

Imagine that if private companies were building power plants