Barack Obama

You know, the design of,

phones, the way social media apps are set up, a lot of that is science based that arose out of

Figuring out how to make slot machines.

Sure, sure.

I mean, there's a reason why all these pings and lights and stuff comes up on your phone.

When notifications come, if you haven't silenced it on your phone, right?

Just that sense of... The only game I really play on my phone is...

Word with friends with Pete Susan, my old photographer from the White House.

Yeah.

And it's just a way for us to stay in touch.

There's a very particular ping that comes up when he's played.

And if I haven't turned my phone off, I could be in the middle of negotiations on a nuclear treaty.

And that thing goes off.

There's a part of me that's like, you know what?

I wonder what he played.

So all that is shaping.

the political environment in ways that even when you and I talked in 2015, that didn't exist.

And now the interesting thing is podcasting, obviously it's gotten segmented and it's getting chopped up so that people don't listen to a whole conversation.

On the video and all that stuff.

There is still, I think, a power in just people listening to conversations if they listen to the whole thing.