Barack Obama

That I think is different.

Yeah.

You and Rogan, I guess, came up – started right around the same time, right?

And it was interesting to me when people started criticizing –

I don't know, Bernie or somebody else for going on Rogan.

It's like, well, why wouldn't you?

Yeah, of course.

If you have time to go have a conversation with somebody, then that is consistent with democracy.

To me, engaging in a honest conversation that's not just yelling, not just trying to score points.

But all right, I'm going to take time to listen and then I'm going to kind of share how I'm thinking about things.

Still valuable.

That part of it is valuable.

And the fact that we can have access to that, we can in some ways participate in that conversation.

I think is actually not the big problem.

The problem that happens with podcasts is that they get all chopped up.

And then it gets put up on the video stream.

Yeah.

But look, there's this young state rep –

James Tirico, who was on there a while back, out of Texas.

Oh, that guy's good, right?