Barack Obama

It does capture your mind and send you down a very narrow track in a way that – and it's interesting for me.

I said like my brain doesn't work that way.

Right.

But I'll be honest with you.

With me, it's mostly like.

sports videos.

But I see how this mechanism works where you can just get on a track and you will suddenly be consumed by this thing for half an hour.

or, and you look up and you've wasted a whole bunch of time and, and, but what it's also done is it has narrowed your world significantly.

And, and if, if you get on, on a political or social track on those reels, um,

Well, it is well known.

I mean, this has been documented.

Right.

You know, the design of,

phones, the way social media apps are set up, a lot of that is science based that arose out of

Figuring out how to make slot machines.

Sure, sure.

I mean, there's a reason why all these pings and lights and stuff comes up on your phone.

When notifications come, if you haven't silenced it on your phone, right?

Just that sense of... The only game I really play on my phone is...

Word with friends with Pete Susan, my old photographer from the White House.