Barack Obama

Like that's your starting point.

Right.

And first of all, if you understand your convictions, you got a moral compass, you got a code, you've spent time wrestling with what it is that you care about and what you believe.

Then it's a lot easier now to be open and actually listen to other people as opposed to constantly trying to beat off –

anybody who might contradict your current perspective.

And I think a guy like him, his starting point is, let me say what I believe.

And it doesn't mean that anybody in public life, and by the way, anybody who's married, anybody who's in a relationship, it doesn't mean that you can't practice the art of diplomacy, that you can't say it in ways that

Are more likely to be received.

Right.

But I think now more than ever, what people long for, and the word authenticity gets overused, I think.

What people long for is some core integrity that seems absent.

Just a sense that, ah, you know, the person seems to...

walk the walk.

It doesn't just talk the talk.

And sometimes it's going to be uncomfortable.

And painful.

Yeah.

Look, and I think that that's...

Um, you know, there's been a lot of post-mortem about Democrats and progressives and, you know, I saw, you know, your, your standup where you said, you know, uh, you know,

We figured out how to be so annoying.