Barack Obama

To me, engaging in a honest conversation that's not just yelling, not just trying to score points.

But all right, I'm going to take time to listen and then I'm going to kind of share how I'm thinking about things.

Still valuable.

That part of it is valuable.

And the fact that we can have access to that, we can in some ways participate in that conversation.

I think is actually not the big problem.

The problem that happens with podcasts is that they get all chopped up.

And then it gets put up on the video stream.

Yeah.

But look, there's this young state rep –

James Tirico, who was on there a while back, out of Texas.

Oh, that guy's good, right?

He's terrific.

Really talented young man.

And, you know, it does require a certain confidence in your actual convictions to debate and have a conversation with somebody who disagrees with you on a whole bunch of stuff.

You know what?

So...

In our foundation, a lot of the work that I do is working with young civic leaders, political leaders, journalists, human rights lawyers, not just here in the United States, but around the world.

And one of the first things I say to them is, know what you really believe.

Right.