Barack Obama

And it may not come to you right away.

The podcast was kind of a random thing, right?

You said, well, let's try this out.

And you didn't know it was going to go for 16 years.

I assume when you did the first show.

No, we didn't know anything.

You didn't know anything.

You were trying to figure it out.

But you probably have an inkling of what you just described about

People trusting you, you connecting partly because you're willing to be vulnerable in front of people and kind of let them know what's going on inside your gut.

There's a power to that.

What's another way of channeling it, right?

That may be different than you playing a character in a movie or even you doing stand-up.

There's something more raw there.

honest, exposed about what you do when you're just having a conversation and connecting with people.

And so the question is, well, is there another way for me to catch that?

Yeah.

You know, but you don't have to rush into it.

I guess my main thing would be, you know, take your time unless, unless you really got some bills to pay.

Yeah.