Barack Obama

I mean, what was unusual for me was, obviously...

A lot of what I represented, a lot of what Michelle and I had tried to project, the values, our thinking about America, my successor seemed to represent the opposite.

Right.

Not seemed, didn't.

Yeah.

And so I think there was a lot of anger, a lot of sadness.

sadness, some fear among a big chunk of the country.

And one of the problems with the American political system is, although we have political parties, we don't have a parliamentary system.

So basically, the president, in my case, Democrat, I leave office, and there's no obvious person who's now

The shadow prime minister, the leader of the party for the Democrats, right?

And so there were a lot of terrific people who were doing good work.

But we have this weird situation where you don't have a designated person who's speaking on behalf of the whole party.

So I actually found myself drawn back in.

day-to-day politics or commentary more than I had wanted to be.

After the second term.

Yeah, in 2017, 2018.

And I thought I was going to be able to remove myself more from

being out there in public and was going to be able to concentrate on what I really wanted to do, which was coach the next generation of leadership.

Sure.

Yeah, move from player to coach, essentially.