Barbara Dreaver

But it was being able to talk it through.

And you see, Petra, that is when you're going through a tough time, a lot of people tend to internalise it, and I know I do, and just deal with it.

Oh, well, deal with it ourselves.

I'll be fine.

But actually you do need to talk it over.

And it doesn't matter who you talk it over with.

You've got to talk it over with someone.

necessarily in the same position as us don't want to ask people because we don't want to hurt them right as well so when you're going through a tough time quite often you just want to do it on your own because you just can't cope with noise as well and there's a lot of noise that goes on and grief and

Yeah.

And it was with Fitz, my cameraman, Mike Fitzgerald.

I just call him Fitzy.

And we were doing lovely stories.

It's my punishment for doing lovely stories.

That'll teach me.

In Tahiti, we were in Bora Bora and we'd had a wonderful day and we were just sitting on the beach.

We'd just got off the boat and I could hear the screaming.

And I knew immediately that someone had drowned.

I just knew.

And this lady comes pelting down the pathway past us.

And she was panicked, so she has tunnel vision, and that's what happens.